Ah, that's different from WikiWing here, which is more to do with gathering people's interpretations - a kind of distillation of divination experience. That has much more in common with your readings database, I think.
Yes... and also, back when I was thinking about this, most people were still using dial-up. With the shift to broadband, online apps of all descriptions are getting a lot more accessible and popular. It could be that accessibility alone is enough incentive to store readings online. (Especially if you can provide features on a par with the custom Yijing programs.)
In theory, yes. In practice I would imagine people would also want the option of complete privacy. You'd be surprised how many emails I get from people who've used a pseudonym here, but still panic when they see their post show up in Google. (Maybe the person they're asking about will see the post and guess it's about them!) So you might save yourself time in the long run by providing all three options.
Do you mean looking for patterns that relate to global events?
well in hindsight a great number of readings could be said to apply to events of 9/11 couldn't they ? Maybe i missed your point.
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Over the years the words and metaphors may have been different but the message has been the same. Not that it means squat for the "veterans" but new people flock to the Yijing in a constant flow. What they won't hear from me is "hey, since there isn't any tangible harm, barring you choke on your coins or stab an eye with your yarrow stalks, ask away as much as you want..." Chances are that I'll repeat myself-- and be rebucked, of course--periodically.
There was a call the other day in the Reading Circle--a general call at that but prompted by something I said--for people to really speak their minds. Well, it isn't like someone else has been using my hands to type over 3000 posts over the years. Still, every time I bring up the point of--basically this, really-- be-mindful-of-what-you-wish-for, others get on the defensive and believe that I'm trying to take their toy away and spoil their querying party. Heck no! It is first a journey of self-discovery and second of discovering the inner works of the cosmos (of which we are a part of, in case there's a temptation to separate the two). As far as "inner works" go, my warning has been that--and I've be consistent about this--, the same way that an experienced mechanic keeps his fingers away from the fan belt of a running car engine, a querent should be mindful of what to "touch" while contemplating a much bigger "engine." But, everyone is responsible for his/her own body parts and future, tangible and otherwise.
Over the years the words and metaphors may have been different but the message has been the same. Not that it means squat for the "veterans" but new people flock to the Yijing in a constant flow. What they won't hear from me is "hey, since there isn't any tangible harm, barring you choke on your coins or stab an eye with your yarrow stalks, ask away as much as you want..." Chances are that I'll repeat myself-- and be rebucked, of course--periodically.
Not completely. The Yijing is both, a tool for us to use and an entity on its own. Now, using the "tool" metaphor (I hope you have used a wrench before so you can relate...), think of holding a wrench and tightening a an hex-nut with it. If you exert too much leverage and over tighten the nut, you will overrun the threads and ruin it. (It happens more often that you'd think, believe me...) The querent is the "mechanic" trying to fix something. Self-knowledge, by the hand of the Yijing, is akin to reach the expertice necessary to "know" which amount of pressure will fully tighten the hex-nut without overrunning the threads. The lesson of this is that, unfortunately, there are a lot of botched fixes by inexpert mechanics.
Not sure if that's an assertion or a question. I've no argument against it other than to say that the querent never returns to the initial place. He/She WILL be changed, counsciously or not.
Denial, that's what abounds... But the Yijing, even though it is a tool of self-discovery, as I mentioned above, it is also its own entity, over and above the querent. It will show more than we can see. We think we can take from it only what we need but the reality is that the flow is incessant. So, one of the warnings is that, even you may only want a glass of water, you are filling it with a firehose. There are ways to do it but it can also go very wrong.
I think is very close. Inexperience can get one's fingers caught in the fan belt...
Would you care to elaborate about your warning, underlined. I'm intrigued. I'm not exactly sure what it is you think the querant "..should be mindful of what to 'touch..". Do you think the consultation of the Yi is an act that changes the development of the things asked about, simply throught he process of consultation, similar to what Twilight said a few weeks back or am i off track there ?
I'm not heading rebukewards BTW I'm really interested in your 'real' opinion
So yes, I believe the mere act of consultation influences the outcome of the background question. Furthermore, I also believe that we receive more that we ask for.
I never heard you say anything like this Luis, even tho yousay you have said it consistently...gee, it kinda makes the yi sound like the oiuja board.......
Now, are you an old timer here writing under the new name of Bamboo (at one point I thought you were a new incarnation of "LIstener")?? Yes, I have, over the years, perhaps using different words and allegories, mentioned my views about haphazard consultation of the Yijing. I have also mentioned that I only consult the Yijing sparely. I have done so for over two decades, after previously consulting it endlessly for the most trivial AND important things you can imagine. At the end of my "play" period, I came to understand a fundamental nature of "change": There is no casual and impune observation of it.
Not completely. The Yijing is both, a tool for us to use and an entity on its own. Now, using the "tool" metaphor (I hope you have used a wrench before so you can relate...), think of holding a wrench and tightening a an hex-nut with it. If you exert too much leverage and over tighten the nut, you will overrun the threads and ruin it. (It happens more often that you'd think, believe me...) The querent is the "mechanic" trying to fix something. Self-knowledge, by the hand of the Yijing, is akin to reach the expertice necessary to "know" which amount of pressure will fully tighten the hex-nut without overrunning the threads. The lesson of this is that, unfortunately, there are a lot of botched fixes by inexpert mechanics.
Denial, that's what abounds... But the Yijing, even though it is a tool of self-discovery, as I mentioned above, it is also its own entity, over and above the querent. It will show more than we can see. We think we can take from it only what we need but the reality is that the flow is incessant. So, one of the warnings is that, even you may only want a glass of water, you are filling it with a firehose. There are ways to do it but it can also go very wrong.
I think is very close. Inexperience can get one's fingers caught in the fan belt...
I have a funny example and comparison from recent U.S. politics. This happens with all the budgets, mind you, but the recent bailout is fresh in our memories. When it was passed, the congressmen had added so much "pork-barrel" that the final amount was inflated by quite a few billions of dollars. So, an "X" amount was asked but an inflated "Y" was received. In the case of the Yijing, I would bet you've never thought there was some extra information coming with the answers. The information isn't negative (or positive, for that matter) but is there and is like a time-stamp of what's developing and put in motion by the question. Mind you, I'm not saying I'm able to elucidate what's being said, or that I'm even close at that, but I'm well aware it is there. Working on it though...
Well, I'll jump in here if I may
I think the "getting in over our heads" bit isn't really the Yi giving us a slap around the chops...but stemming more from our own subjectivity about an interpretation. What we don't perceive may either be picked up unconsciously and thus acts as stored data that will, in some way change things. Sure, you can deny it but it will work it's way out in an easy way or a super-painful way.
If I've got it right from Luis' thoughts... it's a matter of cause and effect. If I get Hex 31 and a line that is ambiguous concerning a possible relationship and on the rebound and hence vulnerable and prone to fulfilling a need I'm going to subvert the reading no matter what. If that desire is strong enough anything can be tailored to that personal reality: the Yi, voting for McCain /Obama as the New saviour; seeing the new woman / man in your life as one's soul mate, etc. It can be anything that acts as a buffer to SEEING. So, in that sense the Yi represents the potential for either propping up one's own needs or offering a way to disengage from those needs that cause so much suffering in life just like anything else can.
I've did precisely that about two years ago with the Yi which was exactly why I found myself here. Sheer desperation and pretty horrible emotional pain. It was only when life lessons threw a big cream pie into my self-satisfied face it was THEN that I was prepared to do the work to understand. And the Yi was waiting for me. I found that my understand had progressed ten fold in a short time due to this 23 process. My cup was no longer full. It was a emptied ready for something new to be placed in it. A 50.1 moment I suppose.
So, I knew that the Yi as a guide had certainly worked. And there's the danger. It worked just enough to supply enough energy to continue my subjective evaluation of certain specific patterns. My subjectivity and bias used the advice to create a half truth - just like disinformation works - in order to cling to my needs. That's why I think sharing readings sometimes can be very useful if you are in an emotional spin and not able to be objective. It counters the partial evaluation and pushing the information one way or another.
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