Help with understanding

[LadyRiver]

Blessings Thank you all iChing community. I would appreciate any help and insights to this reading. I am particularly unfamiliar and confused about the changing Line 3. Mahalo mahalo mahalo.

Question: what do I need to know about my work mentality?

Yi's answer
52.3 changing to 23

Changing Line 3
'Stilling your waist
Dividing your back
Danger smothers the heart.'

I understand the stripping away, I've been intentionally moving in a new direction and I fully admit to the experience of struggling with the re-creation of old patterns. Their cycles show up more intense each time. I dream of the 'flaying', and I've been stubbornly, unconsciously, holding on to the past that no longer serves me. I deeply appreciate the messages I recieve about my inner point of balance, coming to rest in my own right place. What is the changing Line 3 expressing to me?

 

[Liselle]

I cast this line just yesterday! While thinking about it I wondered if the danger in the last phrase might be what causes the unnatural stillness. Is there anything you consider dangerous, anything you're afraid of about work? Fear of making mistakes or something, because obviously mistakes are dangerous? They can be, of course - imagine if you're a surgeon - but oftentimes mistakes are less dangerous than we might think.

52.3 as a description of work mentality...your waist is natural dividing line or boundary, but it's supposed to be flexible. In this line, it's become rigid and immovable like a mountain. (52 is made of two mountain trigrams: .) Try not moving your waist for an hour and see what happens. Yi's saying your work mentality is like that.

 

[hilary]

Try not moving your waist for an hour and see what happens.

That's a really good suggestion (though maybe start with 10 minutes ). Physically embody the line, and directly experience what it's expressing to you, in your own bodily sensations.

I'm sort-of reluctant to add anything after that, but as a very secondary thing... my own experience of 52.3 is of deliberately trying not to feel something or be moved by something. 'No, I will not bend,' kind of thing. But you can't stop yourself from feeling, wanting or being moved.

 

[Mylife]

My experience with 52 and the way I read from the book << The complete I Ching” by Taoist Master Alfred Huang >> is this:
52 means keeping still, which means to be tranquil and stable.
Keeping still expounds the opportunity of knowing when and where to stop in your actions before you go too far. It give you time to reflect and analyse.
The key to success is to know when to advance and when to stop. Never act blindly.

Line 3- it symbolises the waist. It represents a person who is too self-willed and intransigent. That person needs to keep still in the extreme. The situation that person (I guess you) is in give you trouble and this brings anger to your heart.

Changes to (23) Splitting Apart. Forcing stillness on natural desires creates inner conflict. Splitting Apart can show a time of examining thoughts and feelings so that you can move forward consciously toward your desire. Keeping Still because of fear is not the same as moving freely while establishing boundaries. Some element of the situation requires more flexibility, rather than repression.

I Ching Hexagrams - List of Hexagrams of the I Ching

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23 also means that the current is not a great situation for you. 23 is represented by a house who is about to fall apart (I guess your current work situation is not sustainable). This hexagram is related to month Oct-nov.
This hexagram suggests that in difficult moments like this is wise to remain calm and stable (like of what 52 was saying). 23 also suggests wise mind to know to adapt, wait and avoid initiatives.

I hope this helps you to allocate this “translation” to your current situation
Xxx

 

[Trojina]

What is the changing Line 3 expressing to me?

I don't think there's enough detail about the situation/question to have much idea of what 52.3 might be saying to you here. You asked about your 'work mentality' but I don't really know what that includes.

 

[Trojina]

I hope this helps you to allocate this “translation” to your current situation

Do you mean you are quoting? If so who is it ?

 

[Trojina]

Changes to (23) Splitting Apart. Forcing stillness on natural desires creates inner conflict. Splitting Apart can show a time of examining thoughts and feelings so that you can move forward consciously toward your desire. Keeping Still because of fear is not the same as moving freely while establishing boundaries. Some element of the situation requires more flexibility, rather than repression.

Is this your own writing or is it a quote?

 

[Trojina]

I found the answer to that. You are quoting directly from Cafe au Soul


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Splitting Apart can show a time of examining thoughts and feelings so that you can move forward consciously toward your desire. Keeping Still because of fear is not the same as moving freely while establishing boundaries. Some element of the situation requires more flexibility, rather than repression. Line 4: Keeping

So if you are quoting an author you need to say who they are otherwise it is like theft.

 

[Mylife]

Do you mean you are quoting? If so who is it ?

My interpretation of 25 is from “The complete I Ching” by Taoist Master Alfred Huang

And sometimes I read Online clarity for Hilary essay and other people experience with the hexagram in question.

Also I read this website too https://www.cafeausoul.com/iching/hexagrams

 

[Mylife]

So if you are quoting an author you need to say who they are otherwise it is like theft.

I didn’t know I MUST do that. Noted

 

[Trojina]

You just quoted a chunk of Cafe au Soul by Kari Hohne but you didn't say that you used her words as if they were your own.

 

[Mylife]

You just quoted a chunk of Cafe au Soul by Kari Hohne but you didn't say that you used her words as if they were your own.

I was just aiming to help this person to give a sense to the hexagram interpretation. I used all the resources that I normally use for myself as well. I did not think about being considered a theft, or other stuff. I was only aiming to help without other thoughts.

 

[Trojina]

Yes but one cannot just copy chunks of others writing without showing who the author is. It's usual commonly accepted practice and good manners to credit authors. Not doing so is plagiarism which means taking someone else's words and making out they are yours. I want to know who I am reading, I think it matters the querent knows who they are reading and I think the author deserves the credit for what they have written. So if you are going to quote anyone credit them. You didn't even indicate this was a quote, no quote marks, you just presented it as yours (though you have now linked to the site you copied from)

If you did not know this was plagiarism fair enough, some people don't seem to but you know now.

We better not discuss further here as am disrupting thread.

 

[Mylife]

I think this is going a bit too far. I said that I noted your comment and understood. However you keep going on about it in various posts as if I committed a crime.

This forum is about helping others understand the hexagrams to give a sense to their readings. And with that tone I shared my findings. Genuinely without thinking things will lead to this drama.
I shared what I found and I didn’t think to quote the name of the book or website. I don’t see that I caused any harm to anyone.

It is enough to say it just once. Especially when I replied that I understood you comment.
But instead you keep going on as if I did a major thing.

AGAIN - I noted your point and I addressed because I put the references.
I hope the lack of reference didn’t kill anyone neither created a loss to someone. But I hope it helped the person who was asking for help.
All was done in good faith with the intention to help the person who was asking for support. But I see things are being blown out of proportion.

Yes I agree it was not appropriate from you to open this subject in this thread and neither to keep going about it.

Take care.
X

 

[LadyRiver]

I cast this line just yesterday! While thinking about it I wondered if the danger in the last phrase might be what causes the unnatural stillness. Is there anything you consider dangerous, anything you're afraid of about work? Fear of making mistakes or something, because obviously mistakes are dangerous? They can be, of course - imagine if you're a surgeon - but oftentimes mistakes are less dangerous than we might think.

52.3 as a description of work mentality...your waist is natural dividing line or boundary, but it's supposed to be flexible. In this line, it's become rigid and immovable like a mountain. (52 is made of two mountain trigrams: .) Try not moving your waist for an hour and see what happens. Yi's saying your work mentality is like that.

Mahalo wow thank you, I am really looking forward to really settling in with all you have offered. So much was coming through as I read your words. Blessings

 

[LadyRiver]

My experience with 52 and the way I read from the book << The complete I Ching” by Taoist Master Alfred Huang >> is this:
52 means keeping still, which means to be tranquil and stable.
Keeping still expounds the opportunity of knowing when and where to stop in your actions before you go too far. It give you time to reflect and analyse.
The key to success is to know when to advance and when to stop. Never act blindly.

Line 3- it symbolises the waist. It represents a person who is too self-willed and intransigent. That person needs to keep still in the extreme. The situation that person (I guess you) is in give you trouble and this brings anger to your heart.

Changes to (23) Splitting Apart. Forcing stillness on natural desires creates inner conflict. Splitting Apart can show a time of examining thoughts and feelings so that you can move forward consciously toward your desire. Keeping Still because of fear is not the same as moving freely while establishing boundaries. Some element of the situation requires more flexibility, rather than repression.

I Ching Hexagrams - List of Hexagrams of the I Ching

I Ching Hexagrams - The list of 64 hexagrams and information about all hexagrams from the I Ching Book of Changes.

www.cafeausoul.com

23 also means that the current is not a great situation for you. 23 is represented by a house who is about to fall apart (I guess your current work situation is not sustainable). This hexagram is related to month Oct-nov.
This hexagram suggests that in difficult moments like this is wise to remain calm and stable (like of what 52 was saying). 23 also suggests wise mind to know to adapt, wait and avoid initiatives.

I hope this helps you to allocate this “translation” to your current situation
Xxx

This is all so wonderful, mahalo thank you. I am moved. Experiencing a lot of emotional release in this new invitation immediately, your guidance resonates very deeply. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Blessings

 

[LadyRiver]

Just read the rest of the replies. The presence of this seems fitting to my initial inquiry. May we ground together in our new understandings, and may this new energy guide us forward always for Love and Light and the highest for all. I have deep appreciation for what you have both shared. Blessings