11 & 46

peace66 · Apr 29, 2007

HELLO, I'm 40 and wondering about a relationship with a younger man, 25.
How would I interpret 11 & 46?

mudpie · Apr 29, 2007

11.1 to 46?
You have a worthwhile connection in the root chakra. Good sex

willowfox · Apr 29, 2007

peace66 said:
HELLO, I'm 40 and wondering about a relationship with a younger man, 25.
How would I interpret 11 & 46?

Hex 11.1 says that you can get on well together, good connection here.

Hex 46 Pushing upward, supreme success, indicates a very favourable time for earthly pleasures.

Tohpol · Apr 29, 2007

willowfox said:
Hex 11.1 says that you can get on well together, good connection here.

Hex 46 Pushing upward, supreme success, indicates a very favourable time for earthly pleasures.

Why does 46 give such a favourable emphasis on "earthly pleasures"?

topal

lightofreason · Apr 29, 2007

topal said:
Why does 46 give such a favourable emphasis on "earthly pleasures"?

topal

it doesnt. That is just willowfox's limited perspective. Besides the main associations, the label covers a measure of liquor but represents such as an analogy to distillation for the focus on entanglement.

I dd just write a treatise on this but this mickey-mouse system lost the server when I submitted the reply and I am not going to do it all again!

Chris.

mudpie · Apr 29, 2007

lightofreason said:
I dd just write a treatise on this but this mickey-mouse system lost the server when I submitted the reply and I am not going to do it all again!

Chris.

aw shucks. you mean we missed it? bummer

dobro p · Apr 29, 2007

peace66 said:
HELLO, I'm 40 and wondering about a relationship with a younger man, 25.
How would I interpret 11 & 46?

11.1 talks about rooting up a host of related problems and the advisability of imposing order on the situation. So in the context of your question it seems to be saying that if you have the relatinship with the young man, you will find yourself rooting up a host of related problems and imposing order on the situation. Sounds pretty good.

I don't bother much with the second hexagram when there's only one active line in the hexagram, cuz I think the meaning of the second hexagram is already contained in the meaning of the active line. So for instance, with 11.1, there's the idea of 'rooting up problems' which contains the idea of taking something to a higher level.

dobro p · Apr 29, 2007

Oh, and Chris - yeah, I had the same problem the other night. I posted something but it didn't appear in the thread.

So let this be a lesson to you. Shorter posts mean less lost when the site doesn't work right lol.

rosada · Apr 29, 2007

I'd still like to know where Willowfox sees a connection to "earthly pleasure". Maybe all those references to pulling up grass and sod..
Makes me think of the old saying,
"Many a simple flower has been a dande - lion in the grass."

Trojina · Apr 29, 2007

I see 11.1 as being connected with others in a wider network. The roots may be invisible but they are there. I see this relationship as connected with working environment/or some kind of wider context or group in some way, that one of you gets some kind of promotion or recognition by associating with the other, fan yao 46,1.

You may be connected but I don't see whether this is strong enough to have a full on relationship ? Seems a pretty neutral answer.

dobro p · Apr 29, 2007

trojan said:
You may be connected but I don't see whether this is strong enough to have a full on relationship ? Seems a pretty neutral answer.

It's not a neutral answer, if you look at the text. The text puts a positive value on it - it says 'fortunate' (ji2).

miakoda · Apr 29, 2007

Peace66:

When reeds of grass are pulled up,
Other roots of the same kind come with them.
To set forth brings good fortune.

Another take on this line is that the grass intertwined at the roots is a description of the two of you--perhaps you’re already connected in a way that is spiritual and profound and that, despite the difference in ages, you belong in the same classification. This leads to 46, ascending. I think any way it’s interpreted, the Yi Jing is definitely encouraging you to participate in the journey.

All the best,

Miakoda

Trojina · Apr 29, 2007

dobro said:
It's not a neutral answer, if you look at the text. The text puts a positive value on it - it says 'fortunate' (ji2).

I've consulted the Yi for many years now and personally I've learned to take the fortune/misfortune part quite lightly - it never seems especially relevant in how situations play out. Actually fortune/misfortune aren't really terms I think in anyway.

I think the wording of the Yi can make people forget scale and get over the top excited at the mention of good fortune etc I don't find that to be realistic, infact it can be very misleading - falsley raising expectations.

I think its a neutral answer in terms of a question about a love affair IMO. In other words there is a connection yes, among the tangled roots of many connections -friends are such connections - it doesn't follow that having this connection leads to an amazing love affair.

peace66 · Apr 29, 2007

Thanks to all of you for your input. It gives me alot to consider!

heylise · Apr 30, 2007

There must be different Yi's. Even one Wilhelm is not identical to another Wilhelm. My Yi never ever told me how something would work out. And I am asking questions now since 30 years...

What it did give me very often, was a very accurate description of a situation, showing me aspects I would never have seen on my own. Or it gave me good advice, but I guess those two go together. Overseeing what it is tells you usually what is the best course of action.

Very often it made me laugh, showing me a totally other side of what was happening. Especially when I was in morbid despair about something, suddenly seeing the other side could be special. Going from the darkest pit to being in stitches in seconds.

"Good fortune" means to me that following the advice of the line means you are doing the best thing to make good fortune. And "bad fortune": if you don't listen to the warning of the line, that you are doing the best thing to make bad fortune.
Or, to put it the other way around: if you don't follow the advice, there will not be good fortune, or if you heed the warning, there will not be bad fortune.

So one line is not better than the other, it is just the difference between an advice and a warning.

In 11.1: Undertakings bring good fortune. It is an advice. If you don't undertake anything, then there is no good fortune. You will have to 'make' this relation work, 'make' it ascend in a 46 way.

LiSe

mudpie · Apr 30, 2007

That makes sense, LiSe. BUt sometimes I have asked Yi about something already set in motion. Sometimes the reading is something like : OK, yes, you're in for it now. (Example: I sent a letter when maybe I was too impulsive. Ask Yi's opinion: 44.6....or even worse 23.4.) I can't take back the letter, and so I must deal with the consequences. At least I am prepared.)

And sometimes it can be more like : Don't worry, you did the right thing and it will be okay. (Example: I am having a dinner party and I am afraid it is going to flop, be a disaster....Yi? 55.5...don't worry, it's gonna be great fun, good people)

Likewise, if peace asked about the potential of a relationship with a younger man and got 54.3 instead of 11.1, I would be inclined to advise her not to bother.

In regards to certain questions, it sure seems that the potential for good fortune is either there or it is not.

bruce_g · May 1, 2007

listener said:
In regards to certain questions, it sure seems that the potential for good fortune is either there or it is not.

I'm sitting here, trying to think of a time when I was given no choice to choose good fortune.

mudpie · May 1, 2007

well, nooooo, bruce, not in that sense....

but here's another example......a friend of mine recently asked about a state of affairs and got 24.6 regarding something that was dear to her. She had taken some action that resulted in her losing something because she had failed to re-act in time. The 24.6 was saying....uh-oh, looks like you blew it........and she had to accept it because it was the way it went down.

BUT I NEVER see a reading as DIRE, never see any reading as saying anything about one's ability to go forward from here with good fortune. Neverhtheless, there ARE times when no matter what you do, the roof is gonna cave in, the stock's gonna go down, the ship's gonna sail without ya...it's just life.....and the Yi can give you a heads up. Doesnt mean you cant make lemonade

bruce_g · May 1, 2007

Gotcha.

Yup, we agree on that.

Have you ever read Psycho-Cybernetics? Maybe it's the old sailor in me, but more than anything, that's how I view the Yi. The smaller the course corrections are, the more efficiently the ship moves toward it's destination. So, if someone happens to be way off course at the time they do a reading, red flags and loud whistles go off. Rocks aren't good things for ships to sail on. Big Time Misfortune. Maybe they can swim to an island - great good fortune. They get eaten by cannibals - misfortune.. etc etc. But the bottom line as far as their lives: serious bummer. Maybe their spirit journeys to a better sea and port, where they serve tequila with their lemons and limes.

Anyway, I got way off course. Small adjustments, yes.

bruce_g · May 1, 2007

http://www.psycho-cybernetics.com/about.html

I'm no fanatic of the teaching, but if does parallel many principles of Zen, and the Yi too.

mudpie · May 1, 2007

Yes, psycho-cybernetics, I remember that book. never thought of it in terms of having zen principles. I am feeling a little dense right now.

but yes, i see your original point and LiSe's too. Like Vernon Howard says: "Something much higher than calculating our way through life is to have inner command of life."
The Yi is so much more than a treatise on how to avoid "trouble" or how to just feel "safe".........signed, grasshopper

bruce_g · May 2, 2007

So k, I've been a bit numb-brained too lately.

Zen as in lines of least resistance, and the helmsman being one with ship. Yi teaches the same thing: small course corrections, moving along lines of least resistance, using available counterforce for progress; momentum, stride and unity with environment.

peace66 · May 27, 2007

Thanks To All ...

I just wanted to update all of you who were so helpful to me...
The younger man and I work together in an MLM, so we do derive benefits/promotions
by helping one another in our company. However, since we both have (AHEM!!)...
...Other Commitments... We've decided to be just friends and co-workers for now.
Once again, thanks to all !!

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