A couple of days ago I offered to send an I Ching necklace to the next ten people sending a $20 donation to Onlineclarity.com using Hilary's donation button. I am delighted to announce we have a winner! Thank you, Frank Roosen. Your I Ching on a String is in the mail!

I hope you like it. Anyone else wanting one, now is the time to make a donation and receive this fabulous hand strung by me oracle absolutely free!

Rosada

Rosada - !

Here's the donation link (also at the bottom right-hand corner of every page). Now I want to make a donation to myself... consulting with beads is good, and consulting with a string made for you by a friend is something special.

Good idea Rosoda. ... and it works

Congratulations to you

Maybe,after all, we need something to remind us to donate.

Quick thought... Rosada, do you have a photo of an I Ching string? So people will know what it is?

I don't have a photo, but yours should be arriving soon so maybe you can photograph it.

The thing that is so fun about these beads is they are such great conversation starters. I've strung them on an elastic thread and wear mine as a necklace. The black and white beads go with any outfit like a string of pearls. People first remark on my unusual necklace and then I take it off and the talk begins. I'm delighted to find how many people know a little about the I Ching and often have a personal experience to share.

Beautiful idea and gesture, Rosada.

Absolutely my pleasure!

And we have another winner! Thank you, Vivian .

(2 I Ching strings on the way, 8 to go... hurry, offer ends soon... )

I'm looking forward to get one by mail. Very nice gesture Rosada.

Frank

They are on their way Frank and Hilary. Vivian, yours will be in the mail the next trip we make into town. Wow, these beads are circling the globe!

I'm wanting to include a page of one line interpretations with the beads. I've come up with a few possibilities. If anyone has suggestions to contribute please post them here. (Or do you think I'd do better to ask over on Open Space?)

1. It's a great life if you don't weaken.

5. Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.

15. Easy does it.

35. Don't hide your light under a bush.

23. Feed a man fish and he'll eat for a day, teach him to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime.

34. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

36. Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

37. Home Sweet Home.

Wonderful, thank you!

Um.
64 One more river?
46 A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step

I'm no good at these, but didn't we have a thread-full somewhere? Oh, and did you mean 'when in Rome' for 56?

Journey of a thousand miles for 46. Definitely!

Hmm..I was thinking of Wilhelm's translation of the image for 34, "The superior man does not tread upon paths that do not accord with established order," but I suspect "When in Rome.." is probably too compromising. Open to suggestions...

I got the Yi string by mail today.
Thanks Rosada, it is a very nice one!
I asked the Yi string what will it give me. Got 16, the same answer as two years ago when I asked the Yi what to do to become independant with my practice. Nice answer.

All the best from Frank

(How can I get the picture straight away on the screen?)

What will the I Ching on a String give you?

Hex.16:
"When life feels stale, and you are in a rut, find inspiration."
-Sorrell

Wow. Cool toss Frank.

And thanks for posting the picture!

does that small string contain every possibility of hex, Rosada?

gee the one I made is three strands long and needs to be looped three times around neck in order to wear it...but I guess I am not seeing how it can be shorter...?

listener said:

does that small string contain every possibility of hex, Rosada?

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Listener:
In the 64 beads string all the hexagrams appears only once, this is a particular case of a more general mathematic device that you can see at: http://www.geocities.com/abcmcfarren/math/bwheel.htm



I believe that there are more than one solution for ordering the beads. It was more extensively considered at Open Space:

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=5053

Maybe Allan could give us a picture of his neclage?

Yours,

Charly

Oohh... I thought this was a simple 16 token method string. Is it actually this much more sophisticated animal? Now I really, really hope the Post Office hasn't lost mine.

yijing on a string

I'm so glad this topic is still of interest!

Thanks Charly for all your info ... I WOULD like to reveal the bead sequence in my posession, and will as soon as is possible.
My sequence has a group of 6 white, 6 black beads, and 15 or so beads after that are the same as yours. Thereafter, the sequence differs from yours.
Some observations:
-flipping the necklace over from left to right reverses the sequence, which may not qualify it as different;
-changing the black beads to white and vice-versa does create what seems to be a new sequence, and could be done for any newly discovered sequence to automagically create an additional sequence.

I have applied the simple reversal and inversion methods to the sequence Charly contributed, mine seems different ... I will vigorously double-check the accuracy of my observation and report back to you, but initially now there seems to be at least 2 unique solutions, ignoring reversal and inversion ... could there be more?

What is IChing On A String? is someone marketting this? Rosada?

Hilary, I am so pleased you think this is "sophisticated" ... that tells me in one way or another it could become a respected tool used during divinition!

Continuing to lurk in the backround
-Allan :bows:

ichinguru said:

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I have applied the simple reversal and inversion methods to the sequence Charly contributed, mine seems different ... I will vigorously double-check the accuracy of my observation and report back to you, but initially now there seems to be at least 2 unique solutions, ignoring reversal and inversion ... could there be more?
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Allan:
I believed that there were more than one solution but maybe I was only seeing the results of reversal and inversion methods as you say.

Are there more than one solution? Somebody knows it?

We have two ways for study it:

• searching for bibliographical references or mathematical stuff,
• trying to get another solutions and verifying it.

Do you accept the challenge?

Another thing, I wonder about the story of your necklace, how do you get it, how got you knowing its poperties, has the necklace some trade mark or inscription of origins? Do you now about similar ones?

Thanks in advance,

Yours,

Charly

I Ching on a String

Hello in particular to Rosada and cheers to all !!!
Today I sent paypal dollars as a donation and also hoping to receive a String !
I am unsure if this is still happening now and hope you can enlighten me.

Doing a lot of reading and learning now and getting more and more embedded into the Jing !

TIA
Merrymusk

Thank you! I've emailed your address to Rosada, who is I Ching String Queen.

Challenge to Other Solutions

[Charly wrote: "... Another thing, I wonder about the story of your necklace, how do you get it, how got you knowing its poperties, has the necklace some trade mark or inscription of origins? Do you now about similar ones?"]

One of the thingss I love about the yijng is its shroud of mystery.
It seems to inspire and stimulate metaphorical and symbolic creativity.
It also seems designed to catalyze imagination and the ability to dream.
No-one will ever truly know how it evolved or was designed ... it is a prehistoric artifact. Many people have imagined how it originated, but most of what we know is myth
After years of re-reading the Wilhelm translation of the yjing the image of the necklace came to me in a vivid dream. I knew the necklace encoded the yijing because it was my dream. When I awoke from the dream, I could not clearly visualize the sequence of the beads. Yet I awoke with certainty that the necklace existed ... this I cannot explain.
So, I purchased some beads and tried to recreate the sequence, getting close many times ... at first, it was all poke and hope..
Next, I created a simple deck of 64 index cards designed to find a solution.
Each card had 1 hexagram on it.
Six lines ran the full width of each card, together with it's hexagram number
Using this tool I played a type of solitaire, which I now officially call "sol-I-ching(tm)"
Overlapping the cards vertically, always shifting each new card upwards by one line, I eventually managed to find a solution, after many interesting sequences and many dead ends. That was in 1998 ... at which time I strung the first set of beads.
Assuming something like this must already exist, I searched the web periodically, could find nothing similar, until posting here
After realizing the necklace was unusual and valuable, I kept it secret, could not figure out how to market or protect it.

I am tooling up to produce an elegant set of sol-Iching(tm) cards or tiles to be used to find more solutions to Charly's challenge. These will be made available at a very reasonable price.
Since the Yijing is Chinese in origin I think the right thing for me to do is to take 20% of the profits from these cards or tiles and make the money available to the disaster relief efforts going on in China after their earthquake.
I'm not sure how many know it, but there is a LARGE VOLCANO simmering under Yellowstone Park that will affect North America catastrophically when it blows ... scientists think this is overdue.
Let's make this a group development effort.
If we all choose a couple of hexagrams we should be able to come wih a choice of one-liners for each hexagram. If we keep the one-liners "public domain" each one of us could freely sell our own version of the necklace and not hassle with copyright law while documenting the meaning of each hexagram in the sequence.

Maybe we could all make some money and help China too!!!:bows:
Allan

Thanks to people who are involved - especially Rosada - very clever idea indeed.
I have recieved string today and will be running my fingers over it as much as possible.
I also have a bracelet with 16 beads.
I prefer using either the yarrow (bamboo stems, I made) and the 16 beads to date but can see that Rosada's example of the 64 should be just as good. I am not fond of the three coin method as I feel it requires little effort, use of feeling, "standing still" than others, and therefore does not fit my own
idea of using some respectful and thoughful attitude to the cast at least. The yarrow and its offspring house the historical concept. I am one that prefers the traditional, long way round, with time to give the Yi time to "connect" and for the querant and caster to connect with the question as well.
Rosada's 64 hex circle provides for this also by way of handling the string, thinking on it and keeping the string close at hand. I like it.

Rosada can you explain how you consult using your beads - or have you already done so elsewhere ? I followed Charlys link above but can't follow anything mathematical - its like I am dyslexic with maths. Are you able to explain in words not diagrams - I am dyslexic in diagrams too if thats possible

trojan said:

Rosada can you explain how you consult using your beads... Are you able to explain in words not diagrams ...

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Trojan:

Maybe Rosada has his own method. I tell you how is the one that I Know:

You have a neckace with 32 black beads and 32 whithe beads, total 64 beads.
The dispossition of the beads is not randomly, it has the virtue of taking whatever six consecutive beads it reproduces all the 64 set of hexagrams, without repetition nor lack of none.

For consulting:

• Take randomly one bead
• Take note of the colour of that bead and that of the five consecutive ones goig to the left.
• The first bead represents the base line, if the bead is black it represents a yin line (or an even nunber), if the bead is white it represent a yang line (or an odd number). (1)
• Proceed the same wih the remaining beads.

For getting the transformed hexagram proceed another time. Comparing the two hexagrams you deduce what lines have changed. (2)

The correct dispossition of the beads correspond to a more general mathematical problem.

You also can take a reduced neckace with only 8 beads, get the results by trigams and then built the hexagrams.

Yours,

Charly



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(1) Why black=yin and white=yang? Because of chinese custom of representing even numbers black and odd numbers white.

(2) As described by De Harlez (available in french).

Thanks Charly

Please see:
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=10608

Charly