Your Experiences with Unchanging Castings-Hexagram 47

Trojina · Aug 16, 2014

I figured I should write the intro post to each of these threads in the spirit of the thread.

So it is with great weariness of spirit I enter 'your experiences with 47uc' thread

Sigh

:weep:

Dear oh dear.

Anyway the pair, 47/48 ?

Lise once succinctly wrote :

The individual in the world

47 - The restrictions and challenges of being an individual
48 - The inspiration of the individual.

Hmm

I must have said before than when I get an unchanging hexagram as answer it is especially helpful to also see it's pair. I haven't thought much about 47/48 as a pair yet so what does Hilary say of it.

Confined forms a pair with Hexagram 48 the well:

'The well is wholly connected; confined means meeting together'.

By it's nature, the well is already limitlessly connected, while the confined tree must reach down towards the water table. Reaching inward you find help. Outwardly, the oppressive walls are unbroken - but what might the inner space open on to ?

I think if I get 47uc the first question to myself is 'is this a mood or self imposed disconnection from support or possibilities for life to flow on ?'. The lines can have a mocking tone as I think Bradford has highlighted in his commentaries. Line 1 for example, 'oh dear oh dear poor me' , that kind of thing.

I have the idea from my own experience with 47uc there is often more of a suggestion of actual outer confinement. In 46uc growth seems without bounds. Quite the reverse in 47 uc.

One 47uc experience of mine.

I had been renting back rooms of shops to see clients. For various reasons I thought it might be easier and cheaper to see them at my home. My home is a very very tiny flat. It is so tiny that in order to receive people and use a treatment couch I would have to move things around to accommodate it. And then move them all back afterwards. I asked Yi about working from here and got 47uc. I'd say it was pretty literal. Talk about confined ! Anyway I did try it and it didn't work for me. The amount of time spent moving things out of the way and then putting them back made it not feasible. Also at that time the roof was leaking in a few places...so overall, you get the picture not a great environment to work from. So I'd say overall I didn't have enough space to grow anything here. I think 47 was just pointing that out.

What does Wing say ?

TUI, pleasure, in the upper trigram of cosmic ideals, is moving up and out of reach of K'AN, difficulty, in the lower trigram of human affairs. When no changing lines are received, the implication is that, in regard to your inquiry, you are oppressed to the point of exhaustion. Continued ADVERSITY is increasingly disheartening. Nothing that you can say will make a difference. There is little you can do to significantly alter the situation. Only your inner strength can help you endure. Only you can know whether its worth it.

Does anyone recall any experiences of their own where 47uc was the answer ?

I doubt it, but still I must plough on I suppose :weep:

charly · Aug 16, 2014

Hi, Trojina:

Pretty new name. I promised you yesterday (1) that I was going to make some contribution perhaps not entirely based on own experiences but in my intents of literal translation of the received chinese text.

I always see H.47 HARD PRESSING as an image of joy and life, no matters the hard circumstances. Maybe hard work of struggling for life. I saw the tree in the ring reminiscent of the GARDEN OF EDEN, full of JOY OF LIFE. Maybe challenging God's mandate, trusting in the promise of the snake, feeling like Gods. Of course, nobody´s perfect.

Going to the literal translation:

困亨
kun4 heng1
HARD-PRESSING FEAST.
Celebration of pressing hard, or of being hard pressed.

貞大人吉
zhen1 da4ren2 ji2
OMEN GREAT MAN LUCKY.
Previsibly fortunate for the Big Man.

无咎
wu2 jiu4
NO WRONG.
Maybe it looks like not being too correct, but it´s not so.

有言不信
you3 yan2 bu4 xin4
THERE ARE WORDS UNBELIEVABLE.
Believe it or not.

Maybe the tree looks like a prisoner, but he is a lucky prisoner. Maybe the wall at first seems stronger, but the tree at last, in the long term, always defeats the wall. The root is stronger than stone.

(to be continued)

All the best,

Charly

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(1) Say, some year ago. Better late than never.

Ch.

Trojina · Aug 17, 2014

Maybe the tree looks like a prisoner, but he is a lucky prisoner. Maybe the wall at first seems stronger, but the tree at last, in the long term, always defeats the wall. The root is stronger than stone.

Yes..this is what is said in the Image, from Hilary's book

'Lake without water: Confined.
A noble one carries out the mandate, fulfils her aspiration.'

The lake water has all drained away into the stream below. Where there might have been a sparkling centre of vitality, communication and exchange, there is no water left - no energy for communication.

Even in such straits, a noble one is still active. The lake water drained downward and inward, merging with the stream in a single, strong current. In the same way, a noble one lets her mandate, what she is called to do - flow together with the aspiration of her own heart. The two strengthen one another and create an inner momentum that follows through to fulfilment.

charly · Aug 18, 2014

Trojina said:
Yes..this is what is said in the Image, from Hilary's book

Hi, Trojina:

I always felt that H.47 image had a strange begining: LAKE WITHOUT WATER instead of LAKE ABOVE, WATER BELOW. Maybe it was for making the image fit te standard sense of KUN, the name of the hexagram.

The character translated LAKE means MARSH / POND / TRANQUIL WATERS, residence of great diversity of living beings, animals and plants. It´s also said to be the YOUNGER SISTER meaning JOY.

The character translated WATER means also RIVER / STREAM / MOVING WATERS, said to be the MIDDLE BROTHER meaning DEEP and DANGEROUS.

Let us imagine that the inner STREAM is feeding the POND, that there is an INNER SOURCE for the JOY OF LIFE, that the LITTLE SISTER goes UP and the MIDDLE BROTHER goes DAWN. Unbelievable?

Deep and dangerous, the stream, the inner source, the unconscious. Outer joy, the joyous character, full of life, even in the worst contexts.

PRESSION instead of OPPRESSION. FILLED instead of DRAINED.

Do not you think so?

Yours,

Charly

sooo · Aug 18, 2014

While about 80% of my 47uc readings have referred to an inner condition of my mind, the other 20% have referred to actual physical exhaustion. The treatment is sometimes the same for each: rest. Energy drain, whether mental or physical, is like a rechargeable battery. But our system is more complex than a simple battery, and that means different times and circumstances call for different methods of renewal. They are many, but to name just a few: removing the source of pressure, mental or physical, can suddenly fill us with fresh energy/water. Introducing something new and interesting to our life can wake up our life spring to refill our lake. Singular focusing on our body's tension and releasing that blockage can refill us. For example, I can drop my body's blood pressure in less than 30 seconds, simply by focusing on relaxing tension in my body. That lets the river or spring flow more freely through the entire ecosystem of my body, and most of that is ultimately controlled by my mind. So often release of pressure is all that's needed to start refilling the lake, like releasing water from a dam. Trying harder in these cases usually produces just the opposite effect, trying too hard for too long is often the cause of exhaustion, mental and physical, in the first place. Rain results from heavy clouds releasing its moisture, springs flow when obstacles are removed. Fresh ideas spring energy upward, release brings relief, and sometimes brings the rest we need to recover and recharge.

Trojina · Aug 18, 2014

PRESSION instead of OPPRESSION. FILLED instead of DRAINED.

Do not you think so?

Is 'pression' a word ? Not sure. I can't really answer you as I'm not focusing on alternative translations here just on how people have experienced 47uc. If I bend my tiny mind to alternative translations that are the reverse of other translations I get a bit side tracked. I think one discovers the I Ching through experience not only translation ....I mean hopefully both together. I've asked you before if you consult Yi ? Do you ask questions ? I don't think you said. It would be great if you can supplement your ideas about the translation of 47 with some real life examples. That would be fun ! For myself I don't believe someone's translation without actually using it in real life and feeling my way into it. In fact I think we discover Yi through real life along side translation. That's why I want to hear your experiences with questions and answers.

Thinking about the pair 47/48 I feel 47 is a time when there are no outer resources one only has one's inner resources to fall back on.. At 47 times in fact one is forced to find inner resources. One will feel forced to find inner resources when abandoned, left without hope or opportunity. Communication with others is not the way through, words are not heard so what is left ?
If you are in a prison cell how can you survive mentally ? Advise in the Judgement and the Image tells you how. From Wilhelm :

'OPPRESSION. Success. Perseverance.
The great man brings about good fortune.
No blame.
When one has something to say,
It is not believed.'

"When a strong man meets with adversity, he remains cheerful despite all danger, and this cheerfulness is the source of later successes; it is that stability which is stronger than fate. He who lets his spirit be broken by exhaustion certainly has no success"

In prison literally confined by walls with no one listening to a word you say how do you cope and make your inner resources deeper and stronger to sustain you ? No one develops deeper resources in easy times.

Anyway yes it is an opportunity for deeper roots. If a tree can't grow outwards it grows deeper roots. Actually is that factually true or did I make that up...? I don't know but I like the analogy.

Thinking about it I notice when I receive 48 as a relating hexagram I often find the issue I ask about is resolved through the collective in some way. It's not all down to me, there are other resources to draw on. Often with 48 as relating whilst I am thinking of what to do next a bunch of other people are also working on it and I get carried along . With 47 it's not like that. It's down to me and moreover no one is much interested in my problem. The good side of this is I make stronger inner resource, I get to myself. I liked how Hilary put it

"In the same way, a noble one lets her mandate, what she is called to do - flow together with the aspiration of her own heart. The two strengthen one another and create an inner momentum that follows through to fulfilment. "

I can't be sure, will have to have a better look, but I have the idea in it's unchanging form 47 more often indicates an actual literal restriction or confinement of some kind. I'm not saying that is always true it's just an impression I currently have.

knotxx · Aug 18, 2014

I can't be sure, will have to have a better look, but I have the idea in it's unchanging form 47 more often indicates an actual literal restriction or confinement of some kind. I'm not saying that is always true it's just an impression I currently have.

I've told this story here before, but might as well put it in the official unchanging thread: the first time I ever got 47uc,when I was just learning the yi, what Trojina writes above was the case. I was doing castings about things I had no emotional attachment to, the better to learn, so I asked about lunch that day and got 47uc. So of course I DID get emotional, it sounds so awful--will I go to prison etc etc?

I went down to the parking lot with trepidation . . . and found my car was blocked in by a fire truck. I actually sat on the curb and laughed. There were even officials wearing red! After about ten minutes my car was freed. It was a great lesson for me.

But most of the time (as we have discussed elsewhere), for me 47 in all its forms refers to an inner state rather than an outer one. My nickname for it is "putting yourself in a box."

Here's one actual example: A couple of years ago I asked nervously about whether I should agree to be cast in a certain role I'd been offered. I can't recall why I was so reluctant--I know I was busy, for one thing, and it was a large role with a big line load; but also, although I liked the play, I thought most people would not like it at all. I got 47uc.

My notes say: "I ended up doing it, and it was one of the best experiences I’ve had in theater, a great breakthrough for me as an actor as well." Also it was a huge hit, audiences loved it and we extended the run. So in that case, what Trojina writes--

self imposed disconnection from support or possibilities for life to flow on

was exactly what yi meant.

charly · Aug 19, 2014

Hi, Trojina:
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Trojina said:
Trojina said:

Is 'pression' a word ? Not sure.

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Of course, it is, it means PRESSURE (1). Impression, expression, oppression, repression, are words. I don´t like the last two. Repression applied to texts means censorship and / or burning books.

I can't really answer you as I'm not focusing on alternative translations here just on how people have experienced 47uc. If I bend my tiny mind to alternative translations that are the reverse of other translations I get a bit side tracked.

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But the interesting with an ancient chinese text is that it allows multiple translations, parallell discourses, crossed or opposite discourses, sometimes entangled ways of feeling and thinking. I believe in literal translation previous to interpretation, I don´t like alternative translations with the mere goal of going against accepted cannonical ideas.

I think one discovers the I Ching through experience not only translation ....I mean hopefully both together. I've asked you before if you consult Yi ? Do you ask questions ?

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I agree with you that one discovers the I Ching using it. Sometimes even with bad translations. It happened to me. But soon I got Wilhelm/Malke (something like Wilhelm/Baynes but in spanish) I liked it and used it by more than 30 years during which I used it for myself, for friends, mainly girls, and for casual consults. It wasn't until I read LiSe's Book of Moon that I began to translate myself and to write.

I don't think you said. It would be great if you can supplement your ideas about the translation of 47 with some real life examples. That would be fun !

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I don't keep records of consults and don't remember of getting H.47 unchanged, but when I got my first Chinese text, the Great Image, I made a quantitative lexical analysis (I am a psychologist and statistician). Ordering the chinese characters by frequency of occurrence I got a Chinese pseudo speech that ended with some sense, I don't know if deep, on character KUN, the surrounded the tree, that I no longer remember because I lost the copy. What I remember is the feeling that the tree was enjoying life in the middle of a secret garden and that the own life or destiny forced him to surpass his prison.

For myself I don't believe someone's translation without actually using it in real life and feeling my way into it.

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My translations are applicable to real life, only that not the life of kings and knights but of common imperfect people always needy of love, health and money.

From time to time I´ve posted in shared readings, my advice always based in literal translation was not always rejected although sometimes I lack of good manners. I never claimed to be a master.

In fact I think we discover Yi through real life along side translation. That's why I want to hear your experiences with questions and answers.

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If you want, ask. But beware, it can fail. And you will have always the last word if something doesn't fit to you. That's what I say to my occasional customers.

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I can't be sure, will have to have a better look, but I have the idea in it's unchanging form 47 more often indicates an actual literal restriction or confinement of some kind. I'm not saying that is always true it's just an impression I currently have.

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We agree, often but not always. Things change, the Change changes, impressions change.

All the best,

Charly

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pres·sion noun \ˈpreshən\

Full Definition of PRESSION: pressing, pressure

Origin of PRESSION: Latin pression-, pressio, from pressus (past participle of premere to press) + -ion-, -io -ion — more at press

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Trojina · Aug 19, 2014

What I remember is the feeling that the tree was enjoying life in the middle of a secret garden and that the own life or destiny forced him to surpass his prison.

That pretty much ties up with other's experiences here.

charly · Aug 20, 2014

Trojina said:
That pretty much ties up with other's experiences here.

Hi Trojina:

In spite of differences we have much in common.

When I'm doing a consult for myself or helping somebody to read an answer I often had no fixed translation, although literal two translations of the same line or hexagram can be different, depending on the asking, the contex and , believe it or not, final interpretation!

Ming Don Gu
Chinese Theories of Reading and Writing
Availabe at Google Books

Yours,

Charly

anemos · Aug 25, 2014

I recall a couple of reading that 47 was so literal; physical deterioration and confinement.

Being close to a 47 situation of someone else, the following extract form Wilhelm become apparent and understood it better. Externally things are not good, that is my overall experience of 47... actually they are bad but the trunk of the tree is still alive with strong roots to find the water. In both occasion i mentioned above, that was the image....

This concerns the deepest stratum of his being, for this alone is superior to all external fate

Was on vacations and managed to finish a book , The man who mistook his wife for a hat, by Oliver Sacks, and all the time was thinking of 47. Neurological disorders have deprive people from very basic functions and sometimes the author, recounting their stories , asked if some of them were de-souled people. One could see the confinement the biology was inducing , yet in some stories you could see the 'spirit' , the "soul" of those people.... the well(48) beneath the surface of the bare valley...

Sometimes, its in the mind, some others are awful circumstances; A woman, in that book, blind from birth, due to "over-protection' of her caregivers couldn't use her hands- needed someone to even feed her... yet , after some interventions , she became a sculpture; there was a Well inside her and manage to reach it. There was a sequence of 47-48-49 -50 in that story.

H47 , its about "death" sometimes, yet, you can see through it , what the word "life" means. ... when words are believed

anemos · Aug 25, 2014

Trojina said:
At 47 times in fact one is forced to find inner resources.

I agree with that statement- its the feel of 47, as I have experienced it.

There are some similarities and some difference between 39 and 47. they share ,imo, a similar "stuck " sentiment; there are friends in 39 you can turn to, but 47 its more lonely. Its not only that you can be heard or been disconnect with other people but also that their words can't offer much practical help- its a time you understand you are Alone , as the saying "we're born alone, we live alone , we die alone"

Had to be confined for an extensive period of time. Two friends were really supportive and stood by me but when I was broken or about to break there was an individual with whom I could talk and he could listen about that Aloneness. Those times, I tried to reach that individual was really exhausted; It can be "mentally and physically" exhausting- agree with sooo. - and that person asked me a simple question and this , imo, is the underlined question- sort of - H47 asks : Die or Live

charly · Aug 26, 2014

anemos said:
I agree with that statement- its the feel of 47, as I have experienced it.

There are some similarities and some difference between 39 and 47. they share ,imo, a similar "stuck " sentiment; there are friends in 39 you can turn to, but 47 its more lonely. Its not only that you can be heard or been disconnect with other people but also that their words can't offer much practical help- its a time you understand you are Alone , as the saying "we're born alone, we live alone , we die alone"

Had to be confined for an extensive period of time. Two friends were really supportive and stood by me but when I was broken or about to break there was an individual with whom I could talk and he could listen about that Aloneness. Those times, I tried to reach that individual was really exhausted; It can be "mentally and physically" exhausting- agree with sooo. - and that person asked me a simple question and this , imo, is the underlined question- sort of - H47 asks : Die or Live

Dear Maria:

Of course when things keep getting WORSE AND WORSE we can fall into DESPAIR (1).

Exhaustion is a real lack of resources but the feeling of exhaustion comes a little before we touch the bottom. And all is worse when we cann't realize that thigs are as they are.

I'm afraid I do not fully agree with what you say. IMPOSSIBLE for we to be born alone or to live alone and I suppose it is also impossible to die alone. All we are social animals, if not always sociable. There are multiple BONDS among we, even if we are not aware of it.

And a tree is itself a world. Always sourrounded by life, say, LOVE. And there is even a bond with the WALL, no matters how hard she can press the TREE(2).

Correction: instead of the question be "Die or Live" the advice of KUN is, maybe, "Die or LOVE", or better, "We must LOVE, if not we would DIE"

Don't you believe so?

Best whishes,

Charly

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(1) The worst never comes. Always can happen something worse.
(2) But that's another story.

Ch.

anemos · Aug 26, 2014

charly said:
I'm afraid I do not fully agree with what you say. IMPOSSIBLE for we to be born alone or to live alone and I suppose it is also impossible to die alone. All we are social animals, if not always sociable. There are multiple BONDS among we, even if we are not aware of it.

And a tree is itself a world. Always sourrounded by life, say, LOVE. And there is even a bond with the WALL, no matters how hard she can press the TREE(2).

Don't you believe so?
.....

Best wishes,

Charly

Hi Charly

I understand what you say. Yes, we are wired to connect and its important to our survival. Love.. yes! equally important as air and water ( my opinion) . Although I don't like myself this idea of Aloneness, I still believe its true- Those discussions with that individual was to get a "NO , we are not" . Alas ..
The Tree is a single atom, part of a bigger whole , still a single atom tho. There is a small place that we are on our own. Of course some people around us - indirectly - belong to this small garden- we carry them within us and could be part of the inner resources we have develop- yet ..

anemos · Aug 26, 2014

charly said:
Correction: instead of the question be "Die or Live" the advice of KUN is, maybe, "Die or LOVE", or better, "We must LOVE, if not we would DIE"

Don't you believe so?

Best whishes,

Charly

Agree !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trojina · Aug 26, 2014

I'm afraid I do not fully agree with what you say. IMPOSSIBLE for we to be born alone or to live alone and I suppose it is also impossible to die alone. All we are social animals, if not always sociable. There are multiple BONDS among we, even if we are not aware of it.

And a tree is itself a world. Always sourrounded by life, say, LOVE. And there is even a bond with the WALL, no matters how hard she can press the TREE(2).

Correction: instead of the question be "Die or Live" the advice of KUN is, maybe, "Die or LOVE", or better, "We must LOVE, if not we would DIE"

Don't you believe so?

Best whishes,

Charly

But you aren't in a position to correct Maria's own experience of 47. She lived her experience, you didn't. One can feel very alone in 47 as the text says. I am interested in how people experience 47uc, how they themselves feel it. Yes on one hand we are never truly alone and yet undeniably feeling and being alone is part of the human experience and part of what forces us to grow and develop inner resources. Also to choose to live is also to choose to love so I much prefer Maria's own ideas about this. To go on living when life seems hopeless and one feels oppressed, alone, and without help is a great act of love and faith in my opinion. Love is expressed in many ways and getting up in the morning when you don't want to is as much an act of love, an assertion of faith in living, as all the more common ideas of what love is.

I don't think you are correcting anything as we have already agreed this sense of oppression can make us grow deeper roots to the well of life. As life is love there is no need to edit or 'correct' what was said here

imo, is the underlined question- sort of - H47 asks : Die or Live

Absolutely...it's a base line and it's a base line many have come to in the course of their lives.

sooo · Aug 26, 2014

anemos said:
H47 , its about "death" sometimes, yet, you can see through it , what the word "life" means. ... when words are believed

My faith is restored, that life in its most clear and vibrant sense awaits those who love God, or whatever one chooses to call that, and that friends and family await us with open arms to embrace us, and to rejoice, even family we've given up hope in having, perhaps extensions of ourselves, or we extensions of themselves, or extensions of one another. The water (in 47) has only dissipated from the surface, not from the springs, mountain snow runoffs and underground wells. Ours is a choice, to believe what we see or what we know, which extends far beyond the appearance of desolation.

Nothing is more dry than academia with no life, no charisma, no dunamis within it, exploding outward from it. No wonder one can only look at it with their mouth drooping.

Trojina · Aug 26, 2014

Reminded me of a poem I once put in the poetry thread. Driving out the idea love is all silly red hearts and kisses. Love can be a lonely experience too. Carrying on alone through darkness is love too.

Those Winter Sundays

Robert Hayden, 1913 - 1980

Sundays too my father got up early
and put his clothes on in the blueblack cold,
then with cracked hands that ached
from labor in the weekday weather made
banked fires blaze. No one ever thanked him.

I’d wake and hear the cold splintering, breaking.
When the rooms were warm, he’d call,
and slowly I would rise and dress,
fearing the chronic angers of that house,

Speaking indifferently to him,
who had driven out the cold
and polished my good shoes as well.
What did I know, what did I know
of love’s austere and lonely offices?

sooo · Aug 26, 2014

Carrying on alone is the best we can do if we fail to recognize the love which surrounds us and has the potential to permeate us. However, such love is seldom shared and even less believed in the lake which we sit and stare at. That lake is typically shallow and lifeless. Sometimes we simply sit and stare at the wrong lake. But it is a consolation that our lake within need not ever go dry. Still, I've found on earth nothing so life-giving as sitting on the bank or in a boat of a richly fertile lake, a young daughter of heaven and earth; frog leaping and splashing, minnows in schools crowding the sun warmed shallows, and bigger fish hiding to ambush their morning meal, the raccoon family stealthily waiting to catch the bigger fish, the crawdad, fair game to feed protein hungry life forms. True life is not without death, and true death is not without life. The circle of life we ourselves can not, need not try to escape; it is the way. Being oppressed is only seeing one half of it.

anemos · Aug 26, 2014

:bows:

(wanted to write something along with the image but Sooo's thoughts and Trojan's poem totally took my voice. )

charly · Aug 27, 2014

Trojina said:
But you aren't in a position to correct Maria's own experience of 47. She lived her experience, you didn't. One can feel very alone in 47 as the text says. I am interested in how people experience 47uc, how they themselves feel it. Yes on one hand we are never truly alone and yet undeniably feeling and being alone is part of the human experience and part of what forces us to grow and develop inner resources...

Hi, Trojina:

Sometimes I do not understand myself, I wonder how others can understand me. Maybe is a matter of love, some predisposition to connect or not. Nobody´s perfect.

I´m not correcting anybody. Experiences are what they are, cannot be corrected. Even feelings about experiences are personal although it can be wrong. We have all known the feeling of extreme loneliness, but it is a wrong feeling. No living being can never be completely alone. Children cannot grow up alone, without experience of care they don't develop any internal resource and die.

All we have passed through bad experiences and feelings of lonelines, with or whithout H.47, whith or without changing lines. But I´m convinced that hexagrams have no fixed meanings. And the Changes is written with characters/words that have multiple and changing meanings.

Too complex, of course. I apologize.

Yours,

Charly

charly · Aug 27, 2014

sooo said:
... The water (in 47) has only dissipated from the surface, not from the springs, mountain snow runoffs and underground wells. Ours is a choice, to believe what we see or what we know, which extends far beyond the appearance of desolation.
...

Hi, Bruce:

How much truth there is in your words! I don´t see so much desolation in H.47. I believe that the idea of EXHAUSTION come from the Grat Image that instead of saying LAKE ABOVE WATER says LAKE NO WATER or LAKE WITHOUT WATER, that is a fanciful description of the trigrams.

Of course, anybody can get H.47 while being hard pressed by circumstances, with feelings of oppression and and being exhausted.

H.47 says that THE GREAT MAN IS LUCKY. That it is NO WRONG. That justifying SPEECHES are HARDLY BELIEVABLE.

EXHAUSTION is a male concern for which ancient chinese medicine had many recipes and advices for not to reach the point of exhaustion.

Maybe I´m going too far, out of focus. Stop here.

Yours,

Charly

charly · Aug 27, 2014

anemos said:
Agree !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for agreeing and for the smile.

I love it.

Charly

Yasmin · Jan 3, 2015

Advice for today? 47UC.

Well it makes sense given that I am physically and emotionally drained from slave labour at the hands of bullying client, self imposed obligations and various seasonal excesses

. And after days of enduring, today I woke up with a cold - very rare for me, it's usually my body's way of saying: you are at the limit of your ability to endure. Stop.

I can relate to Sooo's post: for me, today, 47UC about resourcing. I can also relate to being forced to find inner resources. Because there are many friends for me to reach out to in general, but today that is not the solution: words will not help. It is about deliberate confinement and resourcing from the inside. And the upper trigram suggests the best way of doing that is cultivating some cheerful activity. A cup of tea, chocolate and a good book sounds good to me

So for me, 47UC is not necessarily as dreadful as it seems, massive depression, going to jail, being lonely and isolated as a way of life and other catastrophic events. It can be simply about saying: today, the phone goes off the hook and I take care of myself.Cheerfully.

Trojina · Jan 3, 2015

Because there are many friends for me to reach out to in general, but today that is not the solution: words will not help.

I'm glad you still know they are all there....unlike Eeyore who I feel in this clip perfectly illustrates 47.1 where he is trapped in gloom of his own making despite his friends efforts...

[video=youtube;N_gdN94iMQk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=N_gdN94iMQk#t=5[/video]

I know the thread is for the unchanging hex but I couldn't resist as there is often a comic element in 47, particularly in the lines....I notice often comedians use such solemnity in their sketches about how awful life is. There can be a fine line between despair and comedy.

So yes keep your spirits up and remember your friends are still there

sooo · Jan 3, 2015

[video=youtube;rSWBuZws30g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rSWBuZws30g#t=11[/video]

Tohpol · Jan 3, 2015

47uc, in my experience almost always refers to my state of mind rather than external conditions. It has also often referred to sadness, frustration and feelings of being hemmed in and trapped, where the only thing to do has been to re-enchant the situation from left-field. Yi has usually tossed me this one to sympathise and to say: "Look you are in the doldrums but you can find your way out of this if you don't give in to it." Or: "Buck up lad and pull yourself together." A bit like an army Sargent kicking my butt over the training wall after hanging there feeling helpless. And then you realise that despite all those grey clouds and falling rain, the mud and the obstacle course you come across the well of 48 and whadya know? The well is full again.

And then you climb into it and wait out the storm.

goddessliss · Jan 12, 2015

topal said:
47uc, in my experience almost always refers to my state of mind rather than external conditions. It has also often referred to sadness, frustration and feelings of being hemmed in and trapped, where the only thing to do has been to re-enchant the situation from left-field. Yi has usually tossed me this one to sympathise and to say: "Look you are in the doldrums but you can find your way out of this if you don't give in to it." Or: "Buck up lad and pull yourself together." A bit like an army Sargent kicking my butt over the training wall after hanging there feeling helpless. And then you realise that despite all those grey clouds and falling rain, the mud and the obstacle course you come across the well of 48 and whadya know? The well is full again.

And then you climb into it and wait out the storm.

I asked the question - What sort of business can I attempt to start with my present skills -

Hex 47 un

I don't feel oppressed. Far from it, not even business wise. I'm really just mulling over different ideas that I can do with the use of my skills.
So I've taken this answer to mean that the best thing to do is to continue to attempt to help people who come to me for a reading or attend my classes because they're are feeling oppressed and helpless with no idea what to do about it. - Liss

mulberry · Dec 19, 2015

I recently received 47 unchanging when I was in the thick of a brief, upsetting misunderstanding with a friend. Feeling quite wounded and stung, I asked, quickly, "Can you give me a picture of me and X right now." 47 unchanging. Oppression, exhaustion, confined. I felt a well of sadness and compassion when I saw 47, I felt the sorrow and weariness of trying to communicate, of anger that comes from feeling overburdened and tired. We were both exhausted and that's what triggered the miscommunication.

Within 30 minutes of this casting, we had moved past it, with no residual upset or ill will.

Sometimes I feel like Yi gives answers that address a longer time frame, or a deeper issue; other times the oracle answers with snapshots of what's happening in the present moment, things that may recede quickly (and I did add "right now"!). This was very much an example of the latter.

EmMacha · Feb 26, 2018

Received this one today in response to the question:
"Well I am tired, and ratty. But the coffee is zinging about my body, and the sun is very bright, so I won't go back asleep. What is the best thing, the most beneficial thing for me to do for myself today? Please give me a useful image Yi"

Background: not much sleep, I have had to work extra on the weekend, to pull € together to pay an overdue tax bill. I'm tired and hungry and ratty, had a difficult morning with my youngest son getting him to school, I'm annoyed with my oldest son (20) for having friends over in the middle of the night, the house is a mess from kids & me focusing on work.

I was thinking,

should I try to tidy it - I could get more annoyed!
Go back asleep or meditate (which will end in sleep probably) and be a zombie later? (I never do well if I nap in the morning!)
clock on and work (which is emotionally draining)
Do some college reading and research (but maybe I'm too tired & my brain won't take it in)
have a bath and dye my hair? ( be frustrated over not doing work or college, so no value from the bath)
few other images ran through my head

So 47uc!

You are feeling trapped because you are trapped?

Or your thinking is confined?

Well, to me, Trees, wonderful majestic beings that they are, trees don't notice walls.
The wall doesn't confine the tree! It stops me from going to hug it, but the tree grows over and under the wall, and will tumble the wall if humans don't maintain it.

Yes the tree needs to reach deep to get to the water, and grow taller to get more light, but that is what trees do anyway. (I've been cutting lower branches off of my young trees to get them to grow taller!)

So the image of the tree inside the wall just reflects my inner feeling, yes I have been constrained by circumstances, and I am exhausted (even if the coffee makes me feel fine, I know from past experience not to try anything too big on these tired days). Yes I've been tightening the belt to get this bill paid (along with the others, but I have been feeling fine, optimistic even in relation to it. I am a tree behind a wall - to me this is an illusion of being confined, because trees always grow under, over and through walls.
To me, walls mean nothing to trees.

The wall is not under the ground, which is where half the tree is.
The wall is not in the branches, where insects and birds and squirrels bounce about.
& the fruit can fall

Also, the wall stops a man with an axe from coming and cutting down the tree!

So there is safety in the restriction.

It did make me panic at first, and think - 'have I restricted myself'?

But deep inside I'm thinking 'No, I'm fine with the restrictions, because Yi is teaching me that everything changes, and restriction now leads to freedom later. I am growing in other directions, this causes me to send the energy up and down.'
(I've actually been doing a meditation the last few weeks where I channel the divine force, Chi, prana, Ond, Awen, anam, I focus on breathing and flow and sending up and down from crown, soul star and source, to root, into the earth)

So the image is bang on here!

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'Lake without water: Confined.

A noble one carries out the mandate, fulfils her aspiration.'

From Hilary, the online reading here: yes I feel I am connected to that underground water, and 47uc today to me tells me that I should just do what is in my heart, despite outer restrictions.

Also, I'll be on guard today (& tomorrow!) for moments where I allow outer restriction to become inner oppression! (caught a few neg thoughts already)

Hope this is helpful to people :hugs:

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