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	<title>Comments on: Book of (real) Change</title>
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	<description>Readings, insights and understanding from the I Ching, the oracle of Change.</description>
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		<title>By: Hamming</title>
		<link>http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2009/05/05/book-of-real-change/comment-page-1/#comment-92470</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my first post here. I never heard about I Ching before. After reading several posts, I think it&#039;s really interesting. It talks about &quot;change&quot;. I&#039;ll try reading as many posts as I could to understand I Ching better.

PS. What a nice website you have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my first post here. I never heard about I Ching before. After reading several posts, I think it&#8217;s really interesting. It talks about &#8220;change&#8221;. I&#8217;ll try reading as many posts as I could to understand I Ching better.</p>
<p>PS. What a nice website you have?</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
		<link>http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2009/05/05/book-of-real-change/comment-page-1/#comment-91592</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 16:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris - nice questions! Given that Yi &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; talk about any context and any timescale, I&#039;d never given much thought to what worked best. It might be more a question of what human attention span and openness is best suited to, though, don&#039;t you think?

Lisa - I&#039;m not sure what more I could put into words. Yes, it was certainly an affirmation that the strength was (always) there - but it also interfaced in some strange way with my physical experience of the emotion, and changed that. That was the experience I was trying to convey - that there&#039;s more to the reading than just its content of ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8211; nice questions! Given that Yi <em>can</em> talk about any context and any timescale, I&#8217;d never given much thought to what worked best. It might be more a question of what human attention span and openness is best suited to, though, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>Lisa &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure what more I could put into words. Yes, it was certainly an affirmation that the strength was (always) there &#8211; but it also interfaced in some strange way with my physical experience of the emotion, and changed that. That was the experience I was trying to convey &#8211; that there&#8217;s more to the reading than just its content of ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2009/05/05/book-of-real-change/comment-page-1/#comment-91589</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 11:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This overturned my whole way of thinking...&quot;

Would you be willing to go into more detail about *how* 48 unchanging changed your reaction to the stressful situation and enabled you to cope? Did you maybe see it as an affirmation that you really did have the inner strength you needed?

I suspect if I&#039;d gotten the same reading in a similar context I would have seen it as the sort of shallow, not-terribly-useful advice as &quot;stay calm&quot; - i.e., &quot;dig deep.&quot;

Either that, or I would have focused on the negative aspects: &quot;...breaking one&#039;s clay jug, Pitfall.&quot; It may have even seemed like Yi was yelling at me for losing it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This overturned my whole way of thinking&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Would you be willing to go into more detail about *how* 48 unchanging changed your reaction to the stressful situation and enabled you to cope? Did you maybe see it as an affirmation that you really did have the inner strength you needed?</p>
<p>I suspect if I&#8217;d gotten the same reading in a similar context I would have seen it as the sort of shallow, not-terribly-useful advice as &#8220;stay calm&#8221; &#8211; i.e., &#8220;dig deep.&#8221;</p>
<p>Either that, or I would have focused on the negative aspects: &#8220;&#8230;breaking one&#8217;s clay jug, Pitfall.&#8221; It may have even seemed like Yi was yelling at me for losing it!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Willmot</title>
		<link>http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2009/05/05/book-of-real-change/comment-page-1/#comment-91577</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Willmot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 23:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the I Ching is a book about changes, an obvious question to me is, &quot;Which changes?&quot;  Change is everywhere, from oscillating air molecules making sound through to the rising and flattening of mountain ranges.  Even assuming this book is tuned, optimised, for human-scale change, that is still mind-bogglingly extensive.  

It seems unreasonable that the same 64 hexagrams apply equally well to details that change in a breath as to the sweeping changes worked in us over a lifetime.  So my question is, &quot;Which scale of changes is Yi best suited for?&quot;  For example, emotional questions come and go quite quickly -- over in an hour or two; whereas political questions may take years to formulate, talk through, become the consensus view and finally be allowed to happen.

Of course, that begs the questions of (a) contexts (What range of contexts are most appropriate?) and (b) historicity (Would that be the contexts the words were written for, or does Yi work in the (eternal) Present Moment?).  But then its always easier to come up with questions than the answers, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the I Ching is a book about changes, an obvious question to me is, &#8220;Which changes?&#8221;  Change is everywhere, from oscillating air molecules making sound through to the rising and flattening of mountain ranges.  Even assuming this book is tuned, optimised, for human-scale change, that is still mind-bogglingly extensive.  </p>
<p>It seems unreasonable that the same 64 hexagrams apply equally well to details that change in a breath as to the sweeping changes worked in us over a lifetime.  So my question is, &#8220;Which scale of changes is Yi best suited for?&#8221;  For example, emotional questions come and go quite quickly &#8212; over in an hour or two; whereas political questions may take years to formulate, talk through, become the consensus view and finally be allowed to happen.</p>
<p>Of course, that begs the questions of (a) contexts (What range of contexts are most appropriate?) and (b) historicity (Would that be the contexts the words were written for, or does Yi work in the (eternal) Present Moment?).  But then its always easier to come up with questions than the answers, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
		<link>http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2009/05/05/book-of-real-change/comment-page-1/#comment-91526</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 08:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... the authors of the Dazhuan aren&#039;t the authors of the whole book, of course, and I think we&#039;re allowed to mention things they didn&#039;t say. 

They did say some remarkable things about the nature of Yi, though...

Opening the book at random:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Yi, being aligned with heaven and earth,
can wholly set forth the &lt;em&gt;dao&lt;/em&gt; of heaven and earth.
Yi looks up to observe the patterns of heaven,
and looks down to examine the veins of earth.
Thus:
it knows the causes of darkness and light, origins and ends; 
it comprehends the meaning of birth and death, 
how form and essence fuse in an entity,
lasting until the soul departs in alternation.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
(Richard Rutt&#039;s translation, from his &lt;em&gt;Zhouyi&lt;/em&gt;.)

I think I&#039;m going to re-read :) .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; the authors of the Dazhuan aren&#8217;t the authors of the whole book, of course, and I think we&#8217;re allowed to mention things they didn&#8217;t say. </p>
<p>They did say some remarkable things about the nature of Yi, though&#8230;</p>
<p>Opening the book at random:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Yi, being aligned with heaven and earth,<br />
can wholly set forth the <em>dao</em> of heaven and earth.<br />
Yi looks up to observe the patterns of heaven,<br />
and looks down to examine the veins of earth.<br />
Thus:<br />
it knows the causes of darkness and light, origins and ends;<br />
it comprehends the meaning of birth and death,<br />
how form and essence fuse in an entity,<br />
lasting until the soul departs in alternation.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>(Richard Rutt&#8217;s translation, from his <em>Zhouyi</em>.)</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m going to re-read <img src='http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
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		<title>By: Enmedio de la Tierra</title>
		<link>http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2009/05/05/book-of-real-change/comment-page-1/#comment-91525</link>
		<dc:creator>Enmedio de la Tierra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 07:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Yijing says: “In that it [The Book of Change] serves for exploring the laws of number and thus for knowing the future, it is called revelation&quot;

The Yijing says: &quot;“The Changes illumine the past and interpret the future. They disclose that which is hidden and open that which is dark. They distinguish things by means of suitable names. Then, when the right words and decisive judgments are added, everything is complete.”&quot;

Tthe authors of the Yijing,  what can they know about the REAL value of the Yijing? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Yijing says: “In that it [The Book of Change] serves for exploring the laws of number and thus for knowing the future, it is called revelation&#8221;</p>
<p>The Yijing says: &#8220;“The Changes illumine the past and interpret the future. They disclose that which is hidden and open that which is dark. They distinguish things by means of suitable names. Then, when the right words and decisive judgments are added, everything is complete.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Tthe authors of the Yijing,  what can they know about the REAL value of the Yijing? <img src='http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
		<link>http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2009/05/05/book-of-real-change/comment-page-1/#comment-91495</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 10:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rega, and thanks for posting! I might do another call in future with readings, but this one&#039;s for questions &lt;em&gt;about&lt;/em&gt; the I Ching rather than &lt;em&gt;to&lt;/em&gt; the I Ching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rega, and thanks for posting! I might do another call in future with readings, but this one&#8217;s for questions <em>about</em> the I Ching rather than <em>to</em> the I Ching.</p>
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		<title>By: re5ga</title>
		<link>http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2009/05/05/book-of-real-change/comment-page-1/#comment-91492</link>
		<dc:creator>re5ga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 03:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the best way I may economize for the month of June?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the best way I may economize for the month of June?</p>
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