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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
		<link>http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2009/01/04/self-cultivation/comment-page-1/#comment-77412</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul,

The translation is adapted from the Eranos edition, Ritsema/Karcher. &#039;Harvest&#039; is their word for &lt;em&gt;li&lt;/em&gt; - quite a literal translation, and one that ties in well with English metaphors about things &#039;yielding a harvest&#039; or &#039;bearing fruit&#039;. Wilhelm translates it as &#039;furthering&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>The translation is adapted from the Eranos edition, Ritsema/Karcher. &#8216;Harvest&#8217; is their word for <em>li</em> &#8211; quite a literal translation, and one that ties in well with English metaphors about things &#8216;yielding a harvest&#8217; or &#8216;bearing fruit&#8217;. Wilhelm translates it as &#8216;furthering&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Hansen</title>
		<link>http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2009/01/04/self-cultivation/comment-page-1/#comment-77407</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Hillary,

I am curious as to whose translation of the Duan from hexagram 26 you quote in your New Year&#039;s posting. I find &#039;Harvest&#039; especially challenging. Here is the Tuan:  

‘Great taming,
Harvest in constancy.
Not eating at home, good fortune.
Harvest in crossing the great river.’

Even a reference would be welcome, and any remarks you might feel useful even more so.

Best,

Paul Hansen
laopaul@hotmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Hillary,</p>
<p>I am curious as to whose translation of the Duan from hexagram 26 you quote in your New Year&#8217;s posting. I find &#8216;Harvest&#8217; especially challenging. Here is the Tuan:  </p>
<p>‘Great taming,<br />
Harvest in constancy.<br />
Not eating at home, good fortune.<br />
Harvest in crossing the great river.’</p>
<p>Even a reference would be welcome, and any remarks you might feel useful even more so.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Paul Hansen<br />
<a href="mailto:laopaul@hotmail.com">laopaul@hotmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jaliya</title>
		<link>http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2009/01/04/self-cultivation/comment-page-1/#comment-77042</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaliya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilary, thanks a million for this post ... Hexagram 9 is one that I&#039;ve struggled to &quot;get&quot; -- really comprehend -- and your writing nailed it. I think it&#039;s in how you have written about the relation between H9 and H26 ... I&#039;d had some confusion about &quot;SMALL RESTRAINT&quot; and &quot;GREAT RESTRAINT&quot; ... 

Let me know what you think ... I&quot;m &quot;thinking this out&quot; as I write it, so if I sound like a total doofus, forgive me  ;-)

... I see H9 (in part) as a place wherein we rein in the mind and consider things before we act on them; I think of qualities like caution, discernment, and patience ... and there is also be a call to restrain the mind -- but gently (as in H57, The Gentle ... I love that influence...)

H9 seems to say *Pay attention* -- in a focused, look-around-you-and-inside-you kind of way. *Look at the world around you and your place in it [which is comprehended through the principle of H8, Union] ... and consider how you will conduct yourself [as in H10, Conduct].* H9 looks like a firm first nudge into the consideration of an ethic (doesn&#039;t that often start to happen when a child is about nine years of age?...) and the impact that our choices and actions have on others.

H26 seems to be a maturing of H9; also a coalescing of mindfulness, energy, and power ... a further honing of intention, and a gathering of the will to act. (In the Gestalt cycle of awareness, it&#039;s a time of &quot;mobilization of energy&quot;.) Developmentally (as when a person&#039;s around 26 years of age), we&#039;re heavily into &quot;making something of ourselves&quot; and we&#039;re more or less aware of how our actions impact on others. Our bodily strength, developmentally, is at its peak. We have a great deal to give of ourselves during early adulthood ... and we do it by making huge changes in our lives -- leaving home; attending college and / or starting a career; mating and creating a family; travelling and exploring places, possibilities, and people ... Doing these things mindfully demands great concentration, discernment, and considerations of responsibility ... and there&#039;s a need to &quot;greatly tame&quot; the side of us that wants to run screaming into the night at any whiff of committment ... ;-D

H26 seems to say, &quot;You&#039;ve got energy to burn, baby ... Use it well ...&quot;

... And what you say about self-cultivation, Hilary -- yes, that&#039;s it :-D  I had to say it all over again in my roundabout way after thinking it through and reading your words a second time.  ;-)

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jaliya’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://ichingquotes.blogspot.com/2009/01/musings-on-love-in-i-ching.html&quot;&gt;Musings on love in the *I Ching*&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilary, thanks a million for this post &#8230; Hexagram 9 is one that I&#8217;ve struggled to &#8220;get&#8221; &#8212; really comprehend &#8212; and your writing nailed it. I think it&#8217;s in how you have written about the relation between H9 and H26 &#8230; I&#8217;d had some confusion about &#8220;SMALL RESTRAINT&#8221; and &#8220;GREAT RESTRAINT&#8221; &#8230; </p>
<p>Let me know what you think &#8230; I&#8221;m &#8220;thinking this out&#8221; as I write it, so if I sound like a total doofus, forgive me  <img src='http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8230; I see H9 (in part) as a place wherein we rein in the mind and consider things before we act on them; I think of qualities like caution, discernment, and patience &#8230; and there is also be a call to restrain the mind &#8212; but gently (as in H57, The Gentle &#8230; I love that influence&#8230;)</p>
<p>H9 seems to say *Pay attention* &#8212; in a focused, look-around-you-and-inside-you kind of way. *Look at the world around you and your place in it [which is comprehended through the principle of H8, Union] &#8230; and consider how you will conduct yourself [as in H10, Conduct].* H9 looks like a firm first nudge into the consideration of an ethic (doesn&#8217;t that often start to happen when a child is about nine years of age?&#8230;) and the impact that our choices and actions have on others.</p>
<p>H26 seems to be a maturing of H9; also a coalescing of mindfulness, energy, and power &#8230; a further honing of intention, and a gathering of the will to act. (In the Gestalt cycle of awareness, it&#8217;s a time of &#8220;mobilization of energy&#8221;.) Developmentally (as when a person&#8217;s around 26 years of age), we&#8217;re heavily into &#8220;making something of ourselves&#8221; and we&#8217;re more or less aware of how our actions impact on others. Our bodily strength, developmentally, is at its peak. We have a great deal to give of ourselves during early adulthood &#8230; and we do it by making huge changes in our lives &#8212; leaving home; attending college and / or starting a career; mating and creating a family; travelling and exploring places, possibilities, and people &#8230; Doing these things mindfully demands great concentration, discernment, and considerations of responsibility &#8230; and there&#8217;s a need to &#8220;greatly tame&#8221; the side of us that wants to run screaming into the night at any whiff of committment &#8230; ;-D</p>
<p>H26 seems to say, &#8220;You&#8217;ve got energy to burn, baby &#8230; Use it well &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; And what you say about self-cultivation, Hilary &#8212; yes, that&#8217;s it <img src='http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />   I had to say it all over again in my roundabout way after thinking it through and reading your words a second time.  <img src='http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><abbr><em>Jaliya’s last blog post..<a href="http://ichingquotes.blogspot.com/2009/01/musings-on-love-in-i-ching.html">Musings on love in the *I Ching*</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2009/01/04/self-cultivation/comment-page-1/#comment-76983</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah :o) that makes sense! Sorry to be pedantic, I thought you were making a distinction between &#039;guiding principle&#039; and &#039;guiding hexagram&#039;.  Happy new year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah <img src='http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> ) that makes sense! Sorry to be pedantic, I thought you were making a distinction between &#8216;guiding principle&#8217; and &#8216;guiding hexagram&#8217;.  Happy new year!</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah - two readings - sorry to be muddled. One for me personally, on how to live the year to the full: that was Hexagram 2, unchanging; one a guiding principle for taking the business forward: that was 9.5 to 26.

Actually, I think they have themes in common: joining with others (in 9.5 and in 2), being of service (2, 26). Enough that it makes sense to me for 9.5 to 26 to be one way of 2-ing, if you see what I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah &#8211; two readings &#8211; sorry to be muddled. One for me personally, on how to live the year to the full: that was Hexagram 2, unchanging; one a guiding principle for taking the business forward: that was 9.5 to 26.</p>
<p>Actually, I think they have themes in common: joining with others (in 9.5 and in 2), being of service (2, 26). Enough that it makes sense to me for 9.5 to 26 to be one way of 2-ing, if you see what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2009/01/04/self-cultivation/comment-page-1/#comment-76980</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilary, I&#039;m confused.

A couple of days ago you said 

&quot;My guiding hexagram for the coming year is 2, the Earth. So this post is my ‘direction to go’, my idea of where I want to be. In the spirit of hexagram 2, it (naturally) doesn’t follow that I know exactly how to get there: rather, I’m out looking for guidance and ways to be of service.&quot;

This post talks of your guiding principle and two different hexagrams. What is the difference between a &#039;guiding hexagram&#039; and a &#039;guiding principle&#039;? Because of the difference between an unequivocal 2 and  9=&gt; 26, there seems to be quite a profound difference.

Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilary, I&#8217;m confused.</p>
<p>A couple of days ago you said </p>
<p>&#8220;My guiding hexagram for the coming year is 2, the Earth. So this post is my ‘direction to go’, my idea of where I want to be. In the spirit of hexagram 2, it (naturally) doesn’t follow that I know exactly how to get there: rather, I’m out looking for guidance and ways to be of service.&#8221;</p>
<p>This post talks of your guiding principle and two different hexagrams. What is the difference between a &#8216;guiding hexagram&#8217; and a &#8216;guiding principle&#8217;? Because of the difference between an unequivocal 2 and  9=&gt; 26, there seems to be quite a profound difference.</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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