I hope you will read this because it’s already some time ago.

But here is my answer of 45-6. 45 is a heaxagram with a lot of emotions, but also one of expressing emotions.
Till now the discussion about the nucleur hexagrams was more a polarisation than a real discussion.
There was no real connection between the groups, (12), that made me sad(45-6 there were my tears and sobs comming from).

In my study acupuncture I used the I Ching to go deeper in understanding what TCM was, when I found the nucleur hexagrams(together with the sovereign hexagrams) I found a beautifull tool to understand the body and mind better than ever before.

And I was amazed that the nucleur hexagrams were that contoversial, for some I Ching adepts it’s almost like cursing in the church.
I think that the nucleur hexagrams can give a deeper understanding of what nucleur energy, nucleur bombs and nucleur medical application are.

Bradford thanks for the tip about the book of Charles Ponce, I already looked on the net for a copy, till now I only found expensive ones, and the cheaper ones where no international shipping.

So if someone sees a copy please let me know I’m interested in what he has to say about the nucleur hexagrams

You are right, lines 2 and 5 do indeed have something to say about the new as organic development. Willow trees have a unique capacity for regeneration - they make a lovely image for Yi traditions. Still… let’s not forget that at 28.5, Yi says that there is nothing wrong with the tree that simply flowers. Certainly a tree’s flowers cannot help but be an organic development from its roots!

(I believe there is just one other line with the same phrase, ‘No mistake, no praise’: 2, line 4. Perhaps 28.5 has a related sense of a mysterious, hidden potential that is just not available to be judged as ‘good thing/bad thing’?)

Yes. I’ll wait your comment. I always find interesting things that you see than i don’t.

Hi Hillary
“…trigrams are (probably) a later addition to the interpretive ‘toolkit’. Is it restrictive and artificial to involve trigrams in interpretation? ”
Beyond the issue about what was first, trigrams or hexagrams, now you are posting ANOTHER interesting issue: “tradition”/”modern”.

Of course, the fact that something is later is not an a priori disaproval thing. Otherwise, we should remain in the tourtle-oracle… and forget about later Zhouyi, and forget about much later Yijing

That is what I liked so much about the constrast between lines 28.2/28.5.

This is not about older/newer. Is about newer as organic development or not.

I mean, if the newer developments are in accordance with the previous roots. This was (supposely) the criteria to discriminate among canonical texts and apocriphal texts, not only in the Changes, but also in another processes like that

Best wishes.

Yes, the mind can connect anything with anything else; it can also decide a priori that there are no connections to be found, and limit the places where it’s willing to see meaning. In working with Yi, I always prefer to assume that the meaning is there, waiting for me to catch up with it.

Devil’s advocate speaks:

There are only eight trigrams; dividing a group of six lines into two groups of three is a purely mechanical operation; trigrams are (probably) a later addition to the interpretive ‘toolkit’. Is it restrictive and artificial to involve trigrams in interpretation?

Yes I know them I also wrote about those and also about the ucleur hexagrams in these threads http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=315
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=3030.

Hello Jesed,

Thanks for explaining your view and the explanation how you read 46 -6.
I agree with a part from your interpretation, but a part I don’t.

But I have not so much time now and I’m going on a holiday so I will write you back at the end of next week when I’m back.

BTW interesting that you also had 28 with the question about the nucleur Bomming and N Korea. In my opinion nucleur hexagrams and nucleur bombs can give us extra information about these subjects.

Hilary must have a very sensitive feeling that’s she brought this up the week before that it happened.

So till next week.

Best wishes to you Jesed and also Allan

As far as one is aware, the sovereign hexagrams are used for the 12 meridian points and the later 12 astrological (animal) signs. These hexagrams are also used to represent the celestial stems and horary branches. How nuclear hexagrams fit in, one has no clue.
For those not familiar with the 12 sovereign hexagrams, it is advisable to pay a visit to Steve Marshall’s Yijing Dao website to read about them.

Regards

Yes, that is also the opinion in the circle where I had learned traditional teachings about the Yi.

Hi Frank
Gathering together wich tends to Stagnation? mmmm

My take on that answer (I repeat, only about the answer) is diferent than yours, based on the tradition I had learn:
a) Using the Yi is a way to comunicate with Ancients Sages (judgement of 45)
b) But the Yi cries because the consultant and the Sages are not gathering together. Yi hopes with this answer the situation changes and a real conection between the consultant and the Sages come (line 6 of hex 45).
c) The tendential movement, if this advices is not taked seriously, is a stagnation of the Yi’s Sense (judgement of 12)

Best wishes

So I interpreted this as a way of gathering information. The most important thing is what you are doing with the information.
and I agree with you Jesed take care for over analysing, the most important aspect is to stay receptive

But it can be a extra dimension in a reading.

And for me it’s no reason not to use them because they didn’t do that before
They found the DNA code in 1953,it’s not that it wasn’t there before, they
only revealed it after research and now everybody is thinking in terms of DNA
Also in acupuncture there were first the normal meridians and later came the extra ordinary meridians, these last ones are even more fundamental as the first ones.
So we people discover only something when we are ready for seeing it.