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		<title>By: mec</title>
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		<dc:creator>mec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2006 01:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow

This rings a bell. The guy and me share a kind of instantaneous telepathic communication, even before I met him in person. These very strong feelings lead me to believe in the concept of twin souls, as our lives too, seem to show a lot of similarities, altough there is still some complete opposition on few domains....( I am messy, he is rather obsessive in putting order...).
As for all fixed hexagram I am always puzzled if the signification should be understand as the reverse of the regular signification, or the sign that the situation is in a deadlock, spinning upon itself, dwelling nowhere....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow</p>
<p>This rings a bell. The guy and me share a kind of instantaneous telepathic communication, even before I met him in person. These very strong feelings lead me to believe in the concept of twin souls, as our lives too, seem to show a lot of similarities, altough there is still some complete opposition on few domains&#8230;.( I am messy, he is rather obsessive in putting order&#8230;).<br />
As for all fixed hexagram I am always puzzled if the signification should be understand as the reverse of the regular signification, or the sign that the situation is in a deadlock, spinning upon itself, dwelling nowhere&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm - maybe as a moment of truth? As a mirror in which you came to know yourself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm &#8211; maybe as a moment of truth? As a mirror in which you came to know yourself?</p>
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		<title>By: mec</title>
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		<dc:creator>mec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I received the hexagram 15, without changing line to the following question:
What will be the way I would see (resume or understand) this present love relation when I will be in my very old age. I am 50 - female. It is a new relation with a lot of obstacles.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received the hexagram 15, without changing line to the following question:<br />
What will be the way I would see (resume or understand) this present love relation when I will be in my very old age. I am 50 &#8211; female. It is a new relation with a lot of obstacles&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: &#8216;Answers&#8217; I Ching blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Well, there&#8217;s synchronicity for you</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8216;Answers&#8217; I Ching blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Well, there&#8217;s synchronicity for you</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#171; The noble one completes it? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ChrisLofting</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisLofting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The skeletal form of 15 is described by analogy to the dampened qualities of 22. The focus there is on facading, to cover up, gloss over. In its more undampened form it develops into beautification but to draw attention away from looking &#039;inside&#039;. The reverse is where a dampened 15 describes the skeletal form of 22 and so a focus on levelling-out, evening-out, no highs, no lows.

The 15/22 pair form a quartet with 52/36. In the latter pair so the particular form of expression of 15 is manifest in 52 with its focus on converting issues of blockage/stopping etc into refined form as discernment and quality control. This is particular, conditional, when compared to 15 being unconditional. The discernment acts to &#039;block&#039;, to &#039;stop&#039; rubbish through the use of discernment. This focus on blockage/discernment is dampened to describe the skeletal form of 36 where the &#039;darkening of the light&#039; shows the covering of &#039;quality&#039; unconditionally. 36 pairs with 22 to show the conditional &#039;covering&#039; thorough the use of facading.

36 then serves as the source of description for the skeletal form of 52 where the light is kept &#039;inside&#039;. It is from suffering that we learn discernment, the loss of love, the mourning of of lost ones as well as the fantasies of future ones ( and so the past/future dynamic in mountain) is were we develop quality control all hidden, all &#039;in here&#039;.

Facading, covering up, filling in the lows, bringing down the highs reflect efforts to &#039;complete&#039; - to present a &#039;finished&#039; work that is in fact &#039;hiding&#039; things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The skeletal form of 15 is described by analogy to the dampened qualities of 22. The focus there is on facading, to cover up, gloss over. In its more undampened form it develops into beautification but to draw attention away from looking &#8216;inside&#8217;. The reverse is where a dampened 15 describes the skeletal form of 22 and so a focus on levelling-out, evening-out, no highs, no lows.</p>
<p>The 15/22 pair form a quartet with 52/36. In the latter pair so the particular form of expression of 15 is manifest in 52 with its focus on converting issues of blockage/stopping etc into refined form as discernment and quality control. This is particular, conditional, when compared to 15 being unconditional. The discernment acts to &#8216;block&#8217;, to &#8216;stop&#8217; rubbish through the use of discernment. This focus on blockage/discernment is dampened to describe the skeletal form of 36 where the &#8216;darkening of the light&#8217; shows the covering of &#8216;quality&#8217; unconditionally. 36 pairs with 22 to show the conditional &#8216;covering&#8217; thorough the use of facading.</p>
<p>36 then serves as the source of description for the skeletal form of 52 where the light is kept &#8216;inside&#8217;. It is from suffering that we learn discernment, the loss of love, the mourning of of lost ones as well as the fantasies of future ones ( and so the past/future dynamic in mountain) is were we develop quality control all hidden, all &#8216;in here&#8217;.</p>
<p>Facading, covering up, filling in the lows, bringing down the highs reflect efforts to &#8216;complete&#8217; &#8211; to present a &#8216;finished&#8217; work that is in fact &#8216;hiding&#8217; things.</p>
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		<title>By: JESED</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi 

Just in case the comment could be useful

One question: what is the &quot;issue&quot; that is needed to be complete?

In practical (microcosmical) questions, it could be the issue that concerns the consultant (an enterprise; a relationship; a job, etc)

But in macrocosmical questions, this is a deeper answer. The noble fulfill his/her task in the world. 

This means: fulfill his/her rol in the society (microcosmo) according with his/her own&#039;s Nature (macrocosmo). Another way to say it: the Noble fulfill his/her individual Tao (returning to the Great Tao) 

This is a life-time task: to know first, and then to follow and fulfill my own Nature, accepting (with humble disposition) the rol that this Nature is meant to play in the world. 

In Jung&#039;s terminollogy: is fullfiling the individuality process to let emerge the Self.

It is seen in line 15.3: the noble faces the tension between the needed action in the world and the risk for the fame that this action brings to one&#039;s life. It means: the action in the world IS NEEDED (just as we need the personality to act in the society, in jung&#039;s terminollogy), but it implies the RISK of the fame (personality can repress another aspects of the being like the shadow and the anima/animus, in Jung&#039;s work, and misguide the Subject&#039;s life). The Humble disposition can cure this tension, so one can play the role of his/her own Nature -completes things- without being misguided for fame (one don&#039;t be attached to Ego, and let the Self emerge)

Now, this is reinforced if we see the cause of line 15.3 (1.3) and the effect of it (2.3)

Stephen Karcher recieved this answer in a macrocosmical question. You could find interesting to see the reading; his interpretation and some later ideas in www.greatvessel.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi </p>
<p>Just in case the comment could be useful</p>
<p>One question: what is the &#8220;issue&#8221; that is needed to be complete?</p>
<p>In practical (microcosmical) questions, it could be the issue that concerns the consultant (an enterprise; a relationship; a job, etc)</p>
<p>But in macrocosmical questions, this is a deeper answer. The noble fulfill his/her task in the world. </p>
<p>This means: fulfill his/her rol in the society (microcosmo) according with his/her own&#8217;s Nature (macrocosmo). Another way to say it: the Noble fulfill his/her individual Tao (returning to the Great Tao) </p>
<p>This is a life-time task: to know first, and then to follow and fulfill my own Nature, accepting (with humble disposition) the rol that this Nature is meant to play in the world. </p>
<p>In Jung&#8217;s terminollogy: is fullfiling the individuality process to let emerge the Self.</p>
<p>It is seen in line 15.3: the noble faces the tension between the needed action in the world and the risk for the fame that this action brings to one&#8217;s life. It means: the action in the world IS NEEDED (just as we need the personality to act in the society, in jung&#8217;s terminollogy), but it implies the RISK of the fame (personality can repress another aspects of the being like the shadow and the anima/animus, in Jung&#8217;s work, and misguide the Subject&#8217;s life). The Humble disposition can cure this tension, so one can play the role of his/her own Nature -completes things- without being misguided for fame (one don&#8217;t be attached to Ego, and let the Self emerge)</p>
<p>Now, this is reinforced if we see the cause of line 15.3 (1.3) and the effect of it (2.3)</p>
<p>Stephen Karcher recieved this answer in a macrocosmical question. You could find interesting to see the reading; his interpretation and some later ideas in <a href="http://www.greatvessel.com" >http://www.greatvessel.com</a></p>
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